Tech Time - June 11, 2020: Groups & Groupings
From Lindsey Sharp
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13:01:11 From Kailey Lynn Bowen : yes!
13:01:17 From Chilin Shih : yes
13:01:18 From Lisa L Travis : yes
13:01:27 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : Sounds great, thank you! And thanks for the invite Lindsey!
13:01:31 From Matthew Beth : The official Moodle docs for this https://docs.moodle.org/36/en/Groups
13:02:14 From Matthew Beth : For those of you have courses with multiple sections in Banner Eg. Online and on campus, grad and undergrad sections, crosslistings etc.
13:02:25 From Matthew Beth : You’ll have those built in as groups
13:02:44 From Matthew Beth : So TAs could sort by their section etc.
13:06:36 From Matthew Beth : If you need to have >1 group, you’ll need groupings (sets of groups)
13:07:08 From John D Weible : Matt.. I think of it as if I need to use groups for more than one distinct purpose
13:07:32 From Matthew Beth : So, besides sections, you could have a group project for part 1, and another group for project 2
13:07:37 From Matthew Beth : Right John!
13:07:56 From Matthew Beth : Y
13:07:57 From John D Weible : yes
13:08:01 From Kailey Lynn Bowen : Yes, we see your Moodle page
13:08:28 From Matthew Beth : The most obvious way is with the gear on the participants page and select groups
13:08:47 From Matthew Beth : With the gear (settings) on the main page, you can also select “more” then it’s under the users tab
13:09:24 From Matthew Beth : Overview gives you a run down of who/what
13:10:52 From John D Weible : I do that too
13:10:58 From Lisa L Travis : What’s the difference between a chat group and a discussion group?
13:12:08 From Whitney Deann McComas : This is just the name Lindsey has given to the groups. It could refer to the type of activity
13:14:44 From Matthew Beth : In the context of a forum, visible groups would mean that groups could see what the others were doing but not post to that group. Separate groups would mean that you couldn’t see what the other groups were posting (just your own group). As the instructor (or one with those rights) you would get a pull down to the the forum in that context.
13:15:19 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : For a group based on discussion sections, if we are the instructor but not leading the discussion (I.e. it’s not a selection when requesting the course page), is there still a way to populate the discussion group from the rosters? Or would we have to manually separate the students from each lecture?
13:15:51 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : Perfect, thanks!
13:15:51 From Matthew Beth : You could select Laura if it’s set up
13:16:08 From Matthew Beth : So like if were pulling in A1 and A2
13:16:14 From Matthew Beth : But using the the same course space
13:17:42 From Matthew Beth : You can do the math by #s of groups OR #s of members and it will do the math either way
13:19:05 From Matthew Beth : You can always tweak or redo if it doesn’t do what you expect/want
13:19:11 From John D Weible : the "randomly" unfortunately isn't random. It generates the same groups every time with the same parameters
13:20:06 From John D Weible : In this Group Choice feature, can you limit how many are in each group still?
13:21:19 From Matthew Beth : For those of you who came from iSchool Moodle, this is a feature we didn’t have there if it doesn’t look familiar.
13:21:29 From Matthew Beth : There was the regular “choice” module
13:23:45 From Matthew Beth : With this (and other aspects of your course), I just want to remind that if you have questions or even need assistance setting up and managing your groups OR implementing, we’re happy to help!
13:24:34 From Matthew Beth : So (as one example) if you had debate prompts, answer keys or other things you wanted one group to see but not another, restrictions would be a good way to do so
13:29:05 From John D Weible : Similarly, you can't change your mind and REMOVE the grouping settings if even just 1 student has submitted something.
13:32:29 From Matthew Beth : We can think of forums as students working together outside of class time on the project
13:36:39 From Matthew Beth : And any questions?
13:37:12 From Matthew Beth : We did not focus on break out rooms in zoom or other collaborative tools but those can also be used
13:37:17 From Matthew Beth : Hi Phil
13:37:21 From Matthew Beth : welcome
13:37:44 From Phil Reiter : Hello, thank you, it's good to be here.
13:37:48 From Dave Dubin : In the past I had major problems if I assigned students to groups that were not governed by a grouping. Is Moodle more robust than a few years ago?
13:37:50 From Inkyung Choi : Yes, thank you for arranging this!
13:39:09 From Matthew Beth : Hi Dave, a little bit…. The groupings are relatively new (a few years) but it can still be pinicky including the pitfall John pointed out
13:39:49 From Dave Dubin : What I learned was that ‘recommendation’ is too weak.
13:40:07 From Dave Dubin : Always ALWAYS use groupings. Or else.
13:40:15 From Matthew Beth : And when you already have the built in groups (from sections) and want to use your own groups, you’ll need to
13:40:33 From Matthew Beth : Nice background John!
13:41:48 From Matthew Beth : Other questions big or small?
13:42:06 From Lisa L Travis : Is there any disadvantage if you have a really large course?
13:42:13 From Lisa L Travis : To having only one single site?
13:42:59 From Matthew Beth : It doesn’t have to be an either/or if you’re talking about using section spaces OR a lecture space.
13:43:18 From Matthew Beth : You could use discussion spaces and also use those rosters to populate groups in your lecture space if that makes sense
13:43:23 From Lisa L Travis : Makes sense. Thanks!
13:44:45 From Matthew Beth : If that’s an issue, there’s importing, meta courses and other options to consider
13:45:07 From John D Weible : thanks!
13:45:14 From Matthew Beth : For those non ischool people
13:45:17 From Matthew Beth : You have Lindsey’s contact
13:45:21 From Robert Tierney : Could you explain more about glossary?
13:45:52 From Matthew Beth : But can also use our ischool address email@example.com
13:46:46 From Matthew Beth : The glossary can be used a bunch of different ways. You can think of it as an “activity” that students contribute to but also more of a resource that they can access (depending on the set up)
13:47:17 From Matthew Beth : With the additional tools/blocks you can set up, you can have it display a glossary entry randomly on the course space
13:47:18 From Kailey Lynn Bowen : We can’t see anything, Lindsey
13:47:22 From Lisa L Travis : are grades associated with glossary entries?
13:47:23 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : Can you share your screen?
13:47:40 From Kailey Lynn Bowen : yes, we see your Moodle page!
13:47:59 From Anya Kanevskaya : Yes you can grade the Glossaries with the UI activity grader tool through the Assignment activity
13:48:20 From Anya Kanevskaya : I’m sure Lindsey can explain and showcase:)
13:49:08 From Matthew Beth : For those of you who are not familiar (and this was also something not on the iSchool Moodle). UI Activity grader gives you the assignment/grading function with other activities like forums and gloassaries
13:49:47 From Anya Kanevskaya : That’s my entry! Aaa!
13:49:55 From Anya Kanevskaya : I am so sorry!!
13:50:06 From Anya Kanevskaya : It’s not a scam, I promise!
13:50:42 From Matthew Beth : Because the are like submissions, glossary entries are like assignment submissions or posts so won’t be included with an import
13:50:59 From Matthew Beth : BUT can be exported/imported if you wanted to reuse
13:52:22 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : Is there a way to modify or turn off auto-linking?
13:52:26 From Matthew Beth : yes
13:52:31 From Matthew Beth : It’s under filters
13:52:48 From Matthew Beth : Other filters include automatically hyperlinking, what to do with media
13:52:53 From Matthew Beth : etc.
13:53:37 From Matthew Beth : Filters can be applied at the course or activity level too
13:53:39 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : Perfect, thanks!
13:54:01 From Matthew Beth : So there may be times in which (for example)
13:54:21 From Matthew Beth : You want to provide a list of YouTube videos in a resource but don’t want them to auto embed
13:54:30 From Matthew Beth : You could turn off for that one resource
13:55:10 From Matthew Beth : Other ?s
13:55:17 From Matthew Beth : Thanks for coming everybody
13:55:21 From Matthew Beth : And nice job Lindsey!
13:55:24 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : This may be unrelated, but I saw “TeX Notation” on there. Is Moodle actually compatible with LaTeX?
13:55:26 From Chilin Shih : Thank you!
13:55:39 From Phil Reiter : Thank You!
13:55:48 From Robert Tierney : Thanks
13:55:57 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : Coming from a math instructor, with the switch in the spring, I found creating a quiz on there difficult with Moodles specific math notation.
13:56:16 From Matthew Beth : https://docs.moodle.org/38/en/TeX_notation_filter
13:56:28 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : That would be great. can you share the screen?
13:56:42 From Matthew Beth : https://docs.moodle.org/36/en/TeX_notation_filter
13:56:48 From Matthew Beth : Oops, wrong version
13:57:02 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : Yes.
13:58:38 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : Yes, I can definitely reach out to Pat. Thanks!
13:59:25 From Laura Elizabeth Placzek : I’m good on questions. Thank you so much for the invite, this session really helped! Hope everyone has a great weekend!
13:59:33 From Atoma : Thanks, Lindsey for the great presentation!
13:59:37 From Matthew Beth : Thanks for coming Laura
13:59:41 From Matthew Beth : Thanks Atoma
14:00:14 From Matthew Beth : !
14:00:17 From Anya Kanevskaya : Thank you:)
14:00:18 From Matthew Beth : Thanks everybody
14:00:20 From Dave Dubin : Thanks!
14:00:21 From Matthew Beth : Have a great day
14:00:21 From Lisa L Travis : thanks!
14:00:32 From Kate LaBore : Thank you, Lindsey
14:00:41 From Chilin Shih : Thank you so much! Very informative!
14:00:43 From Matthew Beth : Nice job Lindsey!