Digital Surrogates from the Heinz Von Foerster Papers,  Series 11/6/26
Understanding Complexity: A Cybernetic Approach, Part 1 

Interview with Dr. Heinz von Forester from the University of Illinois and Dr. Humberto Maturana from the University of Chile, concerning the approach to complexity from the standpoint of cybernetics. Broadcasted by Old Dominion University Television as part of the American Society for Cybernetics meeting, Virginia Beach, VA (1989). The interviewer is Dr. Fred Steier from the American Society for Cybernetics and Old Dominion University.

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